Comments on: CIJA statement on Upcoming York University Conference http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference The Centre for Israel and Jewish Affairs is the official voice for all issues concerning the organized Canadian Jewish community, including those formerly handled by the Canadian Jewish Congress, the Canada-Israel Committee, and the Quebec-Israel Committee. Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:47:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Rochelle Michaels http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-157 Rochelle Michaels Thu, 06 Aug 2009 17:07:28 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-157 A Short article written by Mordechai Kedar, July 28, 2009 http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/perspectives87.html EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish nation-state, or as the rightful homeland of the Jewish People, is a necessary condition of any future Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty – according to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Arab and Islamic leaders have rejected this demand. The reason for Arab inability and unwillingness to consider Netanyahu's demand is the fact that the Islamic world is ideologically incapable of according legitimacy to the State of Israel, for deep-seated religious, nationalistic and historical reasons. .... To: “stevieb” , “Les Green”, “Alon Harel”, “David Enoch”, “Craig Scott”, “e flanders”, “Naftali Lavie” , “Steve Mennie”, “Prof. Alon Harel”, “Aeyal Gross” ,“David Webster”, “David Pinto” ... Muslim attitude toward "the KAFIR" is the same here as it is "there". 56 Islamic States... 56 Intolerant States... 56 Oppressive States... One tiny Jewish Democratic State... Israel. We have a choice. We oppose those who are intolerant and whose goal is to control ... or... submit to their will. A Short article written by Mordechai Kedar, July 28, 2009

http://www.biu.ac.il/SOC/besa/perspectives87.html

EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: Palestinian recognition of Israel as a Jewish nation-state, or as the rightful homeland of the Jewish People, is a necessary condition of any future Israeli-Palestinian peace treaty – according to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Arab and Islamic leaders have rejected this demand. The reason for Arab inability and unwillingness to consider Netanyahu’s demand is the fact that the Islamic world is ideologically incapable of according legitimacy to the State of Israel, for deep-seated religious, nationalistic and historical reasons.

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To: “stevieb” , “Les Green”, “Alon Harel”, “David Enoch”, “Craig Scott”, “e flanders”, “Naftali Lavie” , “Steve Mennie”, “Prof. Alon Harel”, “Aeyal Gross” ,“David Webster”, “David Pinto”

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Muslim attitude toward “the KAFIR” is the same here as it is “there”.

56 Islamic States…
56 Intolerant States…
56 Oppressive States…

One tiny Jewish Democratic State… Israel.

We have a choice. We oppose those who are intolerant and whose goal is to control … or… submit to their will.

]]> By: Deborah http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-156 Deborah Fri, 19 Jun 2009 03:35:51 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-156 I'm going to the conference and look forward to the ability to listen and make up my own mind. I’m going to the conference and look forward to the ability to listen and make up my own mind.

]]> By: Defend academic conference on Israel/Palestine « PALESTINE SOLIDARITY NETWORK http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-155 Defend academic conference on Israel/Palestine « PALESTINE SOLIDARITY NETWORK Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:30:49 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-155 [...] other examples of how this attack on the conference is being waged, see the CIJA site (Canadian Council for Israel and Jewish Advocacy) and an article in the National [...] [...] other examples of how this attack on the conference is being waged, see the CIJA site (Canadian Council for Israel and Jewish Advocacy) and an article in the National [...]

]]> By: Mel http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-154 Mel Fri, 12 Jun 2009 16:30:01 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-154 Frankly, I did not know that Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Tutu had contradicted Dr. King's assertion that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. Perhaps, Doug, you could identify where and when that happened. Frankly, I did not know that Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Tutu had contradicted Dr. King’s assertion that anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism. Perhaps, Doug, you could identify where and when that happened.

]]> By: Doug http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-153 Doug Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:25:58 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-153 I am profoundly disappointed to see this campaign to try to shut down an academic conference. This is part of an increasingly hysterical lobbying effort to shut down any and all debate and discussion that might negatively reflect on Israel. Of course the university should not and will not bow to this pressure from a lobby group. Your organizations are losing credibility. Regarding the comments by Dr. King, one could quote the comments by Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu but what is the point of starting to throw illustrious names into the fray. I am profoundly disappointed to see this campaign to try to shut down an academic conference. This is part of an increasingly hysterical lobbying effort to shut down any and all debate and discussion that might negatively reflect on Israel. Of course the university should not and will not bow to this pressure from a lobby group. Your organizations are losing credibility.
Regarding the comments by Dr. King, one could quote the comments by Nelson Mandela and Archbishop Desmond Tutu but what is the point of starting to throw illustrious names into the fray.

]]> By: Mel http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-152 Mel Tue, 02 Jun 2009 16:01:23 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-152 Thanks for the advice, David. Nevertheless, while the letter may be a hoax, the CAMERA ALERT goes on to say that "the basic message was indeed, without question, spoken by Martin Luther King Jr. in a 1968 appearance at Harvard when he said 'When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism'(from the Socialism of Fools: The Left, the Jews and Israel by Seymour Martin Lipset." In short, the message of the "letter" (anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism) was indeed articulated by Dr. King. Thanks for the advice, David. Nevertheless, while the letter may be a hoax, the CAMERA ALERT goes on to say that “the basic message was indeed, without question, spoken by Martin Luther King Jr. in a 1968 appearance at Harvard when he said ‘When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism’(from the Socialism of Fools: The Left, the Jews and Israel by Seymour Martin Lipset.”

In short, the message of the “letter” (anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism) was indeed articulated by Dr. King.

]]> By: David Pinto http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-151 David Pinto Tue, 02 Jun 2009 09:01:03 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-151 For the benefit of Mel, who mentions Martin Luther King Jr.'s “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend” in 1967: Sorry to have to inform you that that letter is a hoax. Just google on the title of the letter, Mel. In fact, even CAMERA has posted a denial to its website. For the benefit of Mel, who mentions Martin Luther King Jr.’s “Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend” in 1967:
Sorry to have to inform you that that letter is a hoax. Just google on the title of the letter, Mel. In fact, even CAMERA has posted a denial to its website.

]]> By: David Northern http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-150 David Northern Mon, 01 Jun 2009 22:13:59 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-150 So many people complain about the establishment of a “Jewish state”. They seem to have no problem, however, with 22 Arab Muslim states (and one Persian Muslim state) that take up the remaining 99+% of the Middle East. White Europeans stole an entire continent (North America) from the aboriginal peoples that would fit thousands of countries the size of postage stamp Israel. Why does no one complain about that? And the Europeans were not returning to their native homeland, unlike the Jews. As far as “occupation”; around 1900, there were about 550,000 Arabs in what is now Israel. Today, there are over 1,000,000 Arabs – they are citizens of Israel. So if there can be Arabs living in Israel, why should there be no Jews in Judea and Samaria? Wouldn’t moving Jews out of Judea and Samaria be ethnic cleansing? Circa 1947-1950, approximately 900,000 Jews were evicted from Muslim lands, many of them settling in Israel. To be fair here, shouldn’t we be insisting on a right of return for their descendents? Carving a nice chunk out of Jordan might do. So many people complain about the establishment of a “Jewish state”. They seem to have no problem, however, with 22 Arab Muslim states (and one Persian Muslim state) that take up the remaining 99+% of the Middle East.
White Europeans stole an entire continent (North America) from the aboriginal peoples that would fit thousands of countries the size of postage stamp Israel. Why does no one complain about that? And the Europeans were not returning to their native homeland, unlike the Jews.

As far as “occupation”; around 1900, there were about 550,000 Arabs in what is now Israel. Today, there are over 1,000,000 Arabs – they are citizens of Israel. So if there can be Arabs living in Israel, why should there be no Jews in Judea and Samaria? Wouldn’t moving Jews out of Judea and Samaria be ethnic cleansing?
Circa 1947-1950, approximately 900,000 Jews were evicted from Muslim lands, many of them settling in Israel. To be fair here, shouldn’t we be insisting on a right of return for their descendents? Carving a nice chunk out of Jordan might do.

]]> By: Salomon Benzimra http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-149 Salomon Benzimra Mon, 01 Jun 2009 21:42:47 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-149 Just a brief note to David Northern's post: the Palestine Mandate never set aside the West Bank for the Palestinian Arabs. The whole area east of the Jordan River was set aside for the national home of the Jewish people. Just a brief note to David Northern’s post: the Palestine Mandate never set aside the West Bank for the Palestinian Arabs. The whole area east of the Jordan River was set aside for the national home of the Jewish people.

]]> By: David Northern http://www.cija.ca/campus/cija-statement-on-upcoming-york-university-conference/#comment-148 David Northern Mon, 01 Jun 2009 03:52:19 +0000 http://www.cicweb.ca/scene/?p=1942#comment-148 Steve Mennie says; My understanding is that it is against international law to increase or extend a state’s borders by war or aggression. Also that it is illegal to build permanent settlements on occupied territory. ---------------- By reference to “War and the Law of Nations” by Neff, when land is won in a defensive war, absent a peace treaty among combatants, the land does not have to be returned. Russia and Japan never actually got around to signing a peace treaty after WWII, and up until a few years ago, Russia (or the former Soviet Union, if you will) still held some Japanese islands it had won in this war. It is true that Israel`s borders expanded after 1967, but this war was started by the Arab countries. Further, prior to 1967, the Golan, the West Bank (Judea and Sumeria) and Gaza, were controlled by Syria, Jordan, and Egypt respectively. None of these countries would permit the `Palestinians `to have their own state. Significantly, the West Bank was set aside for the Palestinians under the Palestinian mandate, but Jordan seized it illegally in 1948. I guess some ``occupations`are more equal than others. Steve Mennie says;
My understanding is that it is against international law to increase or extend a state’s borders by war or aggression. Also that it is illegal to build permanent settlements on occupied territory.
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By reference to “War and the Law of Nations” by Neff, when land is won in a defensive war, absent a peace treaty among combatants, the land does not have to be returned. Russia and Japan never actually got around to signing a peace treaty after WWII, and up until a few years ago, Russia (or the former Soviet Union, if you will) still held some Japanese islands it had won in this war.
It is true that Israel`s borders expanded after 1967, but this war was started by the Arab countries.
Further, prior to 1967, the Golan, the West Bank (Judea and Sumeria) and Gaza, were controlled by Syria, Jordan, and Egypt respectively. None of these countries would permit the `Palestinians `to have their own state. Significantly, the West Bank was set aside for the Palestinians under the Palestinian mandate, but Jordan seized it illegally in 1948. I guess some “occupations`are more equal than others.

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